[Natasha hums at the observation about Americans, almost a chuckle. She's not going to dispute at least some of that, and at the end of the day Americans can defend their own particular cultural foibles.
She does add, in deference to her defection and her friends there:]
They're not all quite that bad. I think some of it's the nature of the superhero game. Very few people call themselves that, and even fewer pick their own name. Even the Americans.
[She's had her own growing pains where that's concerned. She's still not entirely comfortable being called a hero but she's made peace with the fact that it's not for her.]
How old depends what part you mean. It's a process.
[One she cycled through more than once.]
I was recruited as an infant. [Itachi will have to forgive her the euphemism when she says recruited.] Eight years old for my first long deep cover mission. In my teens when I officially graduated...
Twenty-four when I got out. I think by that point I'd earned the name.
What drives the application of the term? I have understood 'superhero' to mean, generally, one with abilities or skills considered beyond human. It seems to be primarily of Earth origin, but I am missing the context for why and how it applies to some and not others, and the broader cultural anchor of the term.
๏ผ 'hero' is a word for dead men in his world. no one would willingly accept being called as such — it goes beyond arrogance and into willful ignorance. even being a hero to your own nation requires being a villain to another, something that is known and accepted within the shinobi ideal. the only people he considers deserving of the term are the yondaime hokage, whose death has occupied a corner of his mind since that day so many years ago, and shisui's. the difference between the two is that no one knew what shisui had sacrificed and lost in the name of protecting konoha, and no one could deny what namikaze minato had. ๏ผ
There is a black ops division within my village that operates similarly. Children — customarily orphans of war — taken and recruited before they have learned any different. Their lives are brutal and often short, they know nothing beyond service. To survive a like experience is to your credit — but it cannot be easy.
๏ผ he does not have the words to articulate survivor's guilt, but he accepts that being the one to outlive your peers is a horrific experience just the same. he has kept tabs on konoha to the extent he could while hunted and harangued, but even he doubts he could have compiled an accurate list of how many children disappeared into danzล's shadow over the years. ๏ผ
If the name has meaning to you, I cannot say how anyone could object to your use of it.
If you called it marketing or a PR scheme, I wouldn't argue with you.
[She has her cynical moments. Nothing would ever quite shake her worldview the way seeing a Black Widow doll in the window of a toy store after New York did. In some ways it was worse than the aliens.]
My boss described it as something like a group of remarkable people to fight the battles the rest of us never could.
[She is paraphrasing. She's also not trying to change his mind, just provide something like context.]
I wasn't really supposed to be one, either. [She adds then.] I was supposed to be a spy. When I got out, I found someone to work for. Someone I thought would be better. That didn't entirely work out, but it did put me in the right place at the right time, with the skills to keep something bad from turning into something much worse.
That can be a way to make sense of things.
[Natasha does know the term survivor's guilt, and while she wouldn't use it willingly, she also couldn't deny the way it colored her choices. Repaying her debt to Clint never meant doing good things to cancel out the bad. She knows that's impossible. There's nothing she can do to make amends to the people she's hurt. What she can do is try to make the world a little better for her still being alive in it present day.]
Seems like that might be the way for Rita too. Maybe there is something American about not being able to see past what works for them and making the assumption that including others in their coping mechanism will be welcome.
๏ผ he snorts, which is about the closest he ever really comes to laughter outside of wei wuxian and gwen's company. ๏ผ
You think I should have been kinder to her.
๏ผ she's very good, but their tactics are too similar for him not to notice the gentle herding she's doing. the willingness to explain the other side. ๏ผ
๏ผ like, don't get him wrong he will leave a person on read without a scrap of mercy, but he's usually polite enough not to ignore direct questions. usually!!! ๏ผ
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She does add, in deference to her defection and her friends there:]
They're not all quite that bad. I think some of it's the nature of the superhero game. Very few people call themselves that, and even fewer pick their own name. Even the Americans.
[She's had her own growing pains where that's concerned. She's still not entirely comfortable being called a hero but she's made peace with the fact that it's not for her.]
How old depends what part you mean. It's a process.
[One she cycled through more than once.]
I was recruited as an infant. [Itachi will have to forgive her the euphemism when she says recruited.] Eight years old for my first long deep cover mission. In my teens when I officially graduated...
Twenty-four when I got out. I think by that point I'd earned the name.
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๏ผ 'hero' is a word for dead men in his world. no one would willingly accept being called as such — it goes beyond arrogance and into willful ignorance. even being a hero to your own nation requires being a villain to another, something that is known and accepted within the shinobi ideal. the only people he considers deserving of the term are the yondaime hokage, whose death has occupied a corner of his mind since that day so many years ago, and shisui's. the difference between the two is that no one knew what shisui had sacrificed and lost in the name of protecting konoha, and no one could deny what namikaze minato had. ๏ผ
There is a black ops division within my village that operates similarly. Children — customarily orphans of war — taken and recruited before they have learned any different. Their lives are brutal and often short, they know nothing beyond service. To survive a like experience is to your credit — but it cannot be easy.
๏ผ he does not have the words to articulate survivor's guilt, but he accepts that being the one to outlive your peers is a horrific experience just the same. he has kept tabs on konoha to the extent he could while hunted and harangued, but even he doubts he could have compiled an accurate list of how many children disappeared into danzล's shadow over the years. ๏ผ
If the name has meaning to you, I cannot say how anyone could object to your use of it.
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[She has her cynical moments. Nothing would ever quite shake her worldview the way seeing a Black Widow doll in the window of a toy store after New York did. In some ways it was worse than the aliens.]
My boss described it as something like a group of remarkable people to fight the battles the rest of us never could.
[She is paraphrasing. She's also not trying to change his mind, just provide something like context.]
I wasn't really supposed to be one, either. [She adds then.] I was supposed to be a spy. When I got out, I found someone to work for. Someone I thought would be better. That didn't entirely work out, but it did put me in the right place at the right time, with the skills to keep something bad from turning into something much worse.
That can be a way to make sense of things.
[Natasha does know the term survivor's guilt, and while she wouldn't use it willingly, she also couldn't deny the way it colored her choices. Repaying her debt to Clint never meant doing good things to cancel out the bad. She knows that's impossible. There's nothing she can do to make amends to the people she's hurt. What she can do is try to make the world a little better for her still being alive in it present day.]
Seems like that might be the way for Rita too. Maybe there is something American about not being able to see past what works for them and making the assumption that including others in their coping mechanism will be welcome.
Or maybe it's just extroverts.
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You think I should have been kinder to her.
๏ผ she's very good, but their tactics are too similar for him not to notice the gentle herding she's doing. the willingness to explain the other side. ๏ผ
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[Which is where her concern comes in.]
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Have I made so poor a showing of myself?
๏ผ like, don't get him wrong he will leave a person on read without a scrap of mercy, but he's usually polite enough not to ignore direct questions. usually!!! ๏ผ
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[That some people forgot how young he was.]
You know, you never really said if you were okay.
[And Natasha isn't quite asking again now.]
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๏ผ not quite a question, not quite an answer. ๏ผ
My concern is for others who may not be. I am not the only one from a culture where one's title has a weight.
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I can sympathize with that, I suppose. In that case thank you for letting me take up a little of your time.
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Thank you for being kind.
๏ผ from darkness on a shadowed path... ๏ผ